china is its population. they have 1.5 billion people. that is why their emissions are high. if you look at the average emission per chinese, it is not very high, maybe 5 tons of carbon dioxide, compared to the united states, which is about 20. china is still very much a developing country. their average per capita income is $5,000. they have just escaped from being a low middle-income country. so we are looking at a huge population and that is why the total emission are large. if you look at india, is even worse. the poverty in india is still very bad. to pick on countries like india and china and say, unless they act, the united states will not act, this is a very poor excuse. it is picking on an issue that is not relevant. of course, it is true, in the future, india, china, malaysia, we need to take massive actions in order to prevent the large expansion of carbon dioxide, but it is only an excuse to demonize china. china is still a competitor to the united states. >> i want to play a clip of an environmen